Fri 21 Sep 2007
The Greater The Truth The Greater The Libel. Oops!
Blurb by ShaunzoOops it appears I am being sued (threatened with a law suit / court case) for Defamation and Libel. Apparently some company thinks an article I wrote slamming a crap seo company was about them.
I didn’t actually name the company in question in the article, and I won’t link to the article in question on the Hobo Web site, and I won’t at this time confirm if the article was about them but i basically stated I thought the company in question was, in my opinion, using fairly primitive (OK the word I used was “incompetent) seo techniques, and in my (very niave, perhaps) opinion, quite ********* business practices. This has lead to my current situation.
Relying on ignorance of seo rather than expertise of seo, to make money, I think was the gist of the article. Returned from my holiday and there it was. DEFAMATION! No warning, no contact, no correspondence on the blog from them (they could have got a free link there!)
- A friend’s reaction was “I thought everybody new you where a cheeky bastard”. He’s a policeman.
- Another friend said “….but you didn’t actually name the company???”. He’s an MP.
- Another friend asked “what’s an seo?”. He’s a waster (good friend none the less).
So I’ve just let my all my clients know. They have a right to know, after all, and it’s in line with a very transparent business model we run at my seo company, Hobo. I’ve not yet been able to contact all my clients, but i know they read my blog from time to time, so I wanted everybody to know, rightly or wrongly, so there’s no misunderstanding. I think I am getting sued because I said they were unethical, nothing to do with our business practices.
I’m very tempted to reprint the entire letter I got at the bottom of the said article, but I’m taking legal advice first, and of course that would name a company in that article. I’m also very tempted to go toe to toe over my right to saying something is crap when it obviously is, in my opinion. I may be forced to withdraw the article and issue a heartfelt appology. Who knows, even this post might dissappear. In the end I’ll need to think about the reputation of my company and the people who work with me. I don’t give a fuck what people think about me, as long as everybody gets it I love online marketing.
The thought of going down in a blaze of glory, is somewhat strangely, very appealing. Taking a crap seo company (in my own opinion) down with me doesnt make me lose any sleep either. Causing innocent bystanders grief and stress, I’m not too keen on that bit.
I’ve not got anything against said company but I do have clients they used to have. I do have an obvious competitor relationship, but in an industry plagued with ineffective and secretive seo firms the aim of my company is to stand well outside this ring of cowboys and be counted alongside the ethical seo companies out there. We don’t spam, we don’t cold call, we don’t rely on an ignorance of seo client-side to make money. Maybe I am niave but this is how I have chose to market ourselves. Time will tell if I have made a mistake to learn a lot from.
PS - If you work for said SEO company, don’t consider anything I say as a personal insult to you. I’m talking about a specific strategy that must have come from the top as it is being sold on and on. Some of you may be very talented, and I’m sorry for the grief i am undoubtedly about to cause you.
I’m also not even talking about unethical seo as such, if there really is such a thing. I’m talking about unethical business practices.
More as I get it.
Any libel lawyers in the house wanting to give your support then please get in touch
(Edited by Michael Bonnar)
Michael, you are a *****
(Edited by Shaun) ![]()
Oops edited again seeing as I got sphinned! Thanks Andy! I will try and keep the language to a minimum good standard next time. ![]()







September 21st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Good Lord man!! Say it ain’t so. I for one have decided to start doing the same. There is too much garbage in the industry and I just can’t take it any more. I haven’t taken to outing specific cmompanies (naming names) - and I doubt I will ( my own limited ethics there).
I am but a simple SEO reporter calin’ it as I see it. You can certainly toss me yer next rant and I shall gladly publish it.. he he….
Anyway, this post caught my eye as I just finished writing ‘ Your SEO Sucks’ today - http://www.huomah.com/search-engines/search-engine-optimization/your-seo-sucks.html
Your volatile supporter - Dave
September 21st, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Given you didn’t name the company or provide enough details for anybody but some one seriously looking for them to find any hint of who you could have been referring to it seems a rather pointless exercise. Particularly as the company that is suing cannot prove you meant them without admitting that their practices are indeed as stated in the article which would presumably means the article was true and therefore no defamation / libel had occurred. Ultimately only their lawyer will win
I hope they hired him on a no win no fee basis.
That said I do think…
With hindsight you may have made the whole process a little harder and would explain the lack of warning.
I hope you sort it, I’m not a lawyer but I can’t imagine they have much of a case based on that article just don’t make the mistake of not defending it and getting a default judgement.
September 21st, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Bah, I’ve been blogging for over a year, and I’ve only had one cease and desist email, 5 minutes in and you’re being sued… it’s not fair.
September 21st, 2007 at 4:22 pm
The company that are trying to sue you obviously recognised their own shoddy work in your description. How could they have known who you were writing about? They obviously have a guilty conscience!
If you mentioned no names, they will have to prove you were writing about them, and demonstrate why they think that way.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Listen to your lawyers. My wife is an attorney and, at the end of the day) I shut up (mostly) when she tells me to. Good luck chap.
September 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Unless you have provided information in the article which specifically targets the comments to the company directly, whether by location or name, I fail to see how such a claim of defamation would be valid.
I don’t think paranoia is classed as evidence in the court system here. Just be thankful we don’t live in the US.
Might be fun to counter sue for the stress caused by receiving such a letter. Im sure it had you in the foetal position rocking back and forth in the corner right? Or not.
Are you in the office on Monday? I could do with a chat.
Cheers.
September 23rd, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Hi guys thanks for the comments! I’ll be taking legal advice all the coming week.
Hi Martin
Cheers. The number is 0845 094 0839.
Hi Tim
Re: PS - “If you are the seo company I’m outing don’t bother contacting me. I’ve collected a lot of data on this over the last 6 months. Any approach will result in me immediately sending this data to Google, Yahoo and MSN spambusters. ”
I actually meant this type of legal approach. It’s not very clear, I understand now, but I would have entered into the conversation on the blog post.
A sort of “we are the company you are taking about, and I refute these claims and want an apology…. and here’s why” kind of thing.
Too naive? With hindsight I perhaps should have omitted that statement or at least clarified it.
But anyway, would it have made a difference? They are threatening a libel claim at against at least one other person who ONLY cites my article (and it wasn’t even them that did the damage - the damage was in comments left by a third party).
September 23rd, 2007 at 2:33 pm
I think its a case of let them waste their money just take legal advice and wait it out, however intention to sue rarely result in people actually doing it. Let a judge decide if they have a case if they do you live and learn if they don’t just remember how traumatised by the whole thing when it comes to the counter claim:D
September 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pm
It has been a very traumatising experience.
Glad you understand, Tim.
September 23rd, 2007 at 8:23 pm
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September 24th, 2007 at 3:31 am
Shaun - just wanted to say that you’ve got fans here at SEOmoz, and our support. Let us know if there’s any way we can help out - we’ve got an attorney on retainer who might be able to provide advice. You can email me anytime - rand - at- seomoz.org
September 24th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Hey Sorry to hear about this, its gotta suck when you get those kind of things.
A little history lesson if I can share.
Some guy named Aaron once slated a firm in the USA.They were a firm offering crap services that got client sites banned and stuff like that.
All sorts of people outside of US jurisdiction blogged about the case. Sooner or later a search for the companies name brought up all sorts of illuminating viewpoints on this company none of which were very positive.
The power of anchor text and an angry hive should not be underestimated.
Good luck with it.
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September 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Thanks so much for the support guys.
It’s a very sensitive matter so I don’t want to elaborate and get OTHER people into trouble when I think first I should let as many of my supporters put eyeballs on the evidence and express my motives fully, in private, before I proceed. Any advice offered I’m not citing (privately or publicly) and i know most have you are not lawyers and anything on this page is 100% not legal advice - purely opinion.
I think I know the general consensus on crap seo companies but law is just as much a gray area, isn’t it? I certainly don’t know a thing about that. We’re a small seo company working our fuckin’ arses off trying to do nothing more than make sites better. We don’t have a sales team - people find us. My partner Michael only knows about project management and finance, he’s going white over this (and he’s a pale looking chap to begin with).
A year or two down the line and I would have probably just named the company in question, cash flow wouldn’t be a potential problem.
I’m thinking of a “Free The Greenock SEO” (thanks NSM) post, next!
Seriously, thanks for the support. Who knows, you might get sued (or threatened with it) too! Whoppee!
Stay tuned for the “Hobo Tells ****** **********: Your SEO is Shit… And Here’s Why!” post!
…..yes, pending legal advice Michael!
September 24th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
I dont know about you guys, but Im going to sue Shaun for loss of staff time due to reading his blog. Not to mention time spent trying to get him on the phone!
If he didnt make it this blog so controversial (read: interesting) I wouldn’t have such a problem.
Anyone wish to join me in a class action?
September 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
I’m in, I think I hurt my neck while reading comment #14
September 25th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Simon / Martin I know a good personal injury claim lawyer
LOL You can’t buy links like that (well I don’t at least)!
Come to think of it any Libel Lawyers looking for an seo?
September 25th, 2007 at 1:26 am
@ Marty A woman doesn’t need to be a lawyer to get me to shut up
September 25th, 2007 at 6:27 am
oh Shaun I can’t help thinking you get yourself into some of these spots I can see the headlines “Scottish SEO sexual harassment case”
September 25th, 2007 at 9:15 am
That’s not nice. The company should have better take that precious time to review it’s way of doing SEO rather than entering a legal war.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Tim you’ll be hearing from my (very expensive) lawyers on that one
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